Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Concerts

Music festivals in Venue column on tour date table, or in Explanatory footnotes?

When it comes to concert articles, I would like to know if there is a preference for the usage of festival performances on any and/or every concert tour article? Having observed articles and worked on them, a majority of the concert articles look to feature the festival's names in the Explanatory footnote (efn) next to the date the concert took place, with the location where the festival took place, like From Zero World Tour, M72 World Tour and The Scarlet Tour as examples.

A few other articles that I have seen place the festival as the venue itself, which in my honesty, does not make any sense, and appears vague to anyone who would be interested in knowing where exactly the festival took place. Dark Passion Play World Tour and World on Fire World Tour are examples of this. Although, a majority of concert articles use explanatory footnotes, I would like to get a consensus from others to see which is preferred in regards to festivals.

Please show your preference ("Explanatory footnote" or "In-Table") with reasoning included. HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:37, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• Explanatory footnotes It does not make sense to even have the festival as the venue, as per my reason above when I had started the discussion. With a festival in the venue column, it could potentially confuse the average reader who may be left to wonder where exactly the festival took place and what venue the festival is/was at. HorrorLover555 (talk) 05:41, 7 March 2025 (UTC)
• Do not include at all. For all the time I've perused concert tour articles, I have almost always seen dates for festival performances included on the tables. To me, it never made sense. Often, these performances are not explicitly billed by the artist/labels as part of the tour, and secondary RS even tend to make an explicit distinction.

I encountered this problem with the SOS Tour article many moons ago, when several people added a substantial list of festival dates implying that they were part of the tour. Which... no they were not. I explained in the edit summary of my revert: "these festival appearances shouldn't count as tour dates ... many sources treat them as separate from the tour. see this NME article and this Teen Vogue article".

To quote the former, "SZA kicks off her European festival headline run with a stunning performance that brings the striking visuals of her 'SOS' tour – lighthouse, anchor, wrecking ball and all – to the Barcelona stage." And to quote the latter, "SZA has been super busy traveling across both the United States and overseas (including New Zealand) for her SOS tour. At the end of May, the musician performed at the Gazebo Festival in Kentucky, then flew to Barcelona, Spain, to appear at Primavera Sound on June 1." Elias 🦗🐜 ^{[Chat, they chattin', they chat]} 12:25, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

PSA There was also a discussion at Guts World Tour in that same matter, and the discussion had concluded with an agreement to remove the festivals from the table. Although, there are IPs restoring the festivals after that discussion had closed. You may be right, but we should wait until there is more input from others. HorrorLover555 (talk) 17:01, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

• I would include them with a note.★Trekker (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

So explanatory footnote? HorrorLover555 (talk) 03:30, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Yes, my bad.★Trekker (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

No worries. HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:07, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

• Comment Pinging users who have previously contributed to other concert articles for further comment: Vaughan J., Iron.secrets, Chrishm21, NegativeMP1, Beatpoet, Oscarozzi, Ippantekina, 174.54.167.103, Alex2ruiz, and MetalSword. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:18, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

• I would include them with explanatory footnotes. I would only not include them, if the artist explicitly says they are not part of the tour. The example tours above (M72 World Tour and From Zero World Tour) both included festivals as part of the tour with official posters and tour announcments. Iron.secrets (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2025 (UTC)

• My vote would be for inclusion with an explanatory footnote, especially if sourcing is found connecting the festival concert(s) to the tour. livelikemusic (TALK!) 14:35, 23 March 2025 (UTC)

Last-resort sourcing options for tour dates

I recently created The Black Parade World Tour, and I've been painstakingly trying to find reliable sources for three dates that happened during the tour: the one in Tokyo on May 29th 2007, the one in Santiago on February 24th 2008, and the one in Caracas on February 27th 2008. The problem is that I cannot find any sourcing that these dates happened. I'm 99% sure that all sourcing / proof that these dates ever happened is completely gone (I can't even find anything on the Internet Archive or Newspaper archives). No announcements of South America or Japan dates at all. But these shows did happen, and without them, the article is objectively incomplete. So I'm requesting help with suggestions on other areas to check for sources, if there are any last resort sourcing options I could possibly use (e.g. YouTube concert videos), or just assistance with finding proof of these dates in general. Does anyone have any ideas or suggestions? λ NegativeMP1 04:57, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Well, to start, we do need to follow WP:RS and WP:N standards which is that if a published source does not exist for the shows mentioned, then it should not be included. In regards to your suggestion of YouTube videos, I disagree per WP:YOUTUBE as most of the videos are from fan accounts. HorrorLover555 (talk) 20:02, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

My thought process behind the YouTube video wouldn't to have actually cite anything in those videos, but rather try to cite the concert itself...? It's definitely a stretch and I agree it probably shouldn't be done, but it was a last resort option I came up with on a whim. λ NegativeMP1 20:10, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Mayhem on the Beach

The article about Lady Gaga's upcoming concert Mayhem on the Beach is at AfD, if any project members are interested in weighing in or working on the article. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:52, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

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