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Kattumaram (film)

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Not Notable. concerns regarding notability and verifiability, as outlined in Wikipedia's content policies. For a film to be deemed notable, it must receive significant coverage from independent, reliable sources. While Kattumaram has been reviewed by several outlets, the depth and prominence of this coverage are limited. For instance, Asian Movie Pulse provides a review that, although positive, does not constitute the extensive coverage required to establish notability. Similarly, BollySpice.com offers a review, but its reach and influence are not substantial enough to meet Wikipedia's notability standards. Additionally, the film's listing on platforms like IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes, which include brief synopses and user-generated content, do not serve as independent, reliable sources for establishing notability. Furthermore, the article's reliance on such sources may violate Wikipedia's verifiability policy, which mandates that information be backed by reputable, third-party publications. Without substantial, independent coverage, the article does not meet the criteria set forth in Wikipedia's notability guidelines for films, making it a candidate for deletion. Flyingphoenixchips (talk) 01:33, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and India. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:11, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Asian Movie Pulse is generally accepted for notability and Now Toronto seems reliable enough. All in all, notability seems sufficient for a stand-alone page; a redirect is warranted, absolutely (released, verifiable, notable director+actor, coverage) -Mushy Yank. 10:53, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

+Technically a WP:NFILM pass for another reason: screened >5 years after release (released in June 2019) https://birminghamindianfilmfestival.co.uk/kattumaram-catamaran/ and https://londonindianfilmfestival.co.uk/kattumaram-catamaran/ and the Global Indian stories source seems acceptable too.-Mushy Yank. 12:15, 29 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. "For a film to be deemed notable, it must receive significant coverage from independent, reliable sources." Notability is not one-size-fits-all. This is a film and there are thousands of films produced globally that do not get to be reviewed by mainstream media (The New York Times, The Guardian, Variety, etc.). More often than not, the only reviews for a film will be found in niche publications. There are even film blogs and websites that are considered reliable sources because they are recognized within the film industry. Kattumaram was released in film festivals. It was included in Channel 4's annual Indian cinema showcase in 2020. It was a special screening at Wesleyan University in 2021. Six years after its premiere, it continues to be included in academic film events. Frameline is the Frameline Film Festival and a legitimate, reliable source for films with non-heterosexual subjects. The Hindu is a reliable newspaper. The New Indian Express is an edition of The Indian Express, which is a reliable source. Now Toronto (Now) is a reliable Canadian newspaper. The Times of India article is an interview with the filmmaker and from what I saw in it, is acceptable. Pyxis Solitary (yak). ⚢ 12:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I expanded the article to improve its notability per WP:HEY. The Times of India articles source that was added is an interview with an actor not the filmmaker and is a passing mention. DareshMohan (talk) 10:43, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I am not satisfied with frameline source that has been misrepresented as critical review. That leaves only one review by Now Toronto. If anyone can find one more critical review from reliable sources, please let me know. Interviews are not secondary independent source. RangersRus (talk) 15:29, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When it comes to Asian films, it's not easy to find reviews for them outside of Asia-related newspapers, websites, magazines; unless a film is groundbreaking, or becomes a critics darling, or gets word-of-mouth recommendations, or wins awards. Particularly when they are independent films. That's the reality of non-West films. Kattumaram is reviewed in High on Films, Apt613, and Asian Movie Pulse. (RottenTomatoes does take some of High on Films RT1 and AMP RT2 reviews into consideration). It has been included in a handful of academic papers about Indian cinema. Pyxis Solitary (yak). ⚢ 05:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for sharing the sources but these are still not credible or reliable. Apt613 is a blog. Even High on films, anyone can write for them and per RT is not a Tomatometer-approved publication. Reviews from this publication only count toward the Tomatometer when written by the following Tomatometer-approved critic(s): Debopriyaa Dutta, Pramit Chatterjee, Shikhar Verma, Vassilis Kroustallis. The review is by neither of these approved writers. Asian Movie Pulse is also not a Tomatometer-approved publication. Reviews from this publication only count toward the Tomatometer when written by the following Tomatometer-approved critic(s): Amarsanaa Battulga, Grace Han, Joshua Polanski, Nathan Sartain, Olivia Popp, Panos Kotzathanasis, Renee Ng, Teresa Vena. The review here too is not from one of these approved critics. RangersRus (talk) 12:37, 6 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 18:04, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. Asian Movie Pulse and Now Toronto look to be sufficient sources. Alternately a redirect to List of Tamil films of 2019 would be a reasonable ATD. Eluchil404 (talk) 23:24, 5 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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